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GUS Musician's Digest Tue, 5 Apr 94 16:25 PST Volume 6: Issue 5
Today's Topics:
decent piano patch
GUS as a EPS substitute
GUS Musician's Digest V5 #46
GUS Musician's Digest V6 #4
looking for DOS sample conversion utility
MPB problem
NDN:GUS Musician's Digest V6 #4
NEW BBS with GUS support in France
Pressure and key pressure. (2 msgs)
Question about using custom patches
Standard Info:
- Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest.
- Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ.
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 15:26:08 -0700 (MST)
From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" <rutledge@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu>
Subject: decent piano patch
> Is there a good replacement for the GUS/GM Piano patch(es)? Patch 0
> doesn't hold together very well at +/- 2 octaves from middle C.
> Sadly, my Casio CT-700 generates a stabler piano sound (or is it my
> amp?). I'd sacrifice the whole meg of patch space for a really solid
> piano patch. Any pointers greatly appreciated.
That desperate? Have you tried the bosendorfer patches? Go to orst in
the submit dir and ls bosen*.
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* ARS * virtual reality * electronics * fusion * freedom of information *
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Date: Tue, 05 Apr 94 10:42:00 MDT
From: Thomas Day <ThomasD@tps.com>
Subject: GUS as a EPS substitute
Just a few questions about GUS patches: I'm hoping to eliminate the
need for my Ensoniq EPS. First, I need to find a way to convert my EPS
samples into some format the GUS can use. Second, I would like to
know how those samples will be loaded into the GUS. For instance,
I have an EPS patch called African Drums. The EPS keyboard is split
into 8 sections with a different drum on each section. My guess is that
I will have to make this 8 different GUS patches, right? I suppose that
also follows for the velocity sensitive timbre changes from the EPS,
each change will require a different patch?
thanks for your help,
Tom Day
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 14:42:52 GMT+1
From: "Viktor" <VIKTOR@kge.bme.hu>
Subject: Re: GUS Musician's Digest V5 #46
> Subject: Re: 'Very Best' MIDI compilation
>
> I am making a compilation of the best MIDI files for the
> Gravis Ultrasound (GUS) at the moment. When I have the
> impression that I have heard enough .MID files I want to
> make them available to all GUS owners (free of charge of
> course!).
I begun the same way like you, dear Gusser!
Now I'm full of them...
> Please send me infos about good MIDI files you have come
> across! They should sound good on a GUS, of course.
I started to collect .mid files for some month. Now I have
over 10Megs of zipped(!) MIDI files. I've heard enough
(too much). If it helps you I can give you these files.
(It'll be hard to get heard every song. It's over x100hours
of continuesly music :) ).
> I would also greatly appreciate any infos about FTP sites
> where I can get these or other MIDI files.
Try: archive.cs.ruu.nl pub/MIDI/SONGS
or: gus /sound/midi/files
and there's still more
> Thank you in advance,
> Gerd.
Viktor
+--------------------------------------+
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| Viktor F. |
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| viktor@kge.bme.hu (New e-mail addy!)|
| (Technical University of Budapest) |
+--------------------------------------+
ACAD+AMI+C+GUS+IBM+INTERNET+MAC_SUCKS+MID+MINISTRY+MOD+SMOKERS_GUIDE+VR
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 09:08:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Antonio Guia <guia@cc.umanitoba.ca>
Subject: Re: GUS Musician's Digest V6 #4
> Date: 04 Apr 94 12:46:01 BST
> From: John Wexler <wex@festival.ed.ac.uk>
> Subject: Pressure and key pressure.
> sensitivity to pressure? And finally, can pressure be made to control
> any other aspect than loudness? It seems natural that channel pressure
> would control loudness, but, for a keyboard player, you don't expect the
> volume to vary if you press harder AFTER the note had started, so
> perhaps key pressure could be used for some other refinement.
On a D50 the key pressure is tied to a different patch which is overlaid
on the existing patch. This is a nice feature since you can put a bell
sound on a synth sound by pressing the key down harder. I've been trying
to find something like this for any midi in program but have not. The
only way around this that i know of is to go back over it and add in
another track with just the pressure signals. I would like to see some
program which records all the pressure keys onto a different track so that
i may at least go back over it later and put other sounds in.
-tg
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 94 11:33:26 FST
From: tblanchot@VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: looking for DOS sample conversion utility
Hi|
I'm looking for a DOS conversion utility to convert wav's from 16 bit
to 8 bit and/or stereo to mono. I can do it with Noise Master in
Windows but I need a way to automate the process from a batch file
in Dos.
I remember a little utility which was part of a GUS file on epas, this
utility was called 16TO8 but I can't find it anymore? Any pointer?
***********************************************************************
* Thierry BLANCHOT tblanchot@vnet.ibm.com MUSIC POWER BBS SysOp *
* *
* GUS support, Modules, Midifiles, Modcharts Distribution site *
* Shareware Zone - Dos - Win - OS/2 - DOOM corner *
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 10:54:02 +0200
From: A.PAUW@elsevier.nl
Subject: MPB problem
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 14:54:03 -0500 (EST)
> From: apervazo@sas.upenn.edu (Andrian Pervazov)
> Subject: MPB problem
>
> I downloaded the MPB and 2pat pograms. They are really great - especially
> the Patch Browser is indispensable for evrybody who wants to use multiple
> patch banks. I have a problem, though. On my system (I have a MIDI
> keyboard connected to the computer through a MPU 401 compatible interface)
> whenever I play a note on the keyboard, it gets sustained - probably the
> Note Off message is not recognized. Moreover, instead of Note Off I
> apparently get another Note On Message, since the note sounds again when I
> release the key. Does anybody else have that problem?
> |===============================================|
> | Andrian Pervazov |
> | University of Pennsylvania |
> | Music Department |
> | Internet: apervazo@mail.sas.upenn.edu |
> | Phone: 215-382-0798 |
> |===============================================|
I discovered the same problem. There is a bug yet in MPB (I
mailed it to its maker already). MPB changes the note
velocity byte (i.e. the volume) of the note-on message to
the one given in the midithru menu. You can preset this
fixed value. However, a note-on message with zero velocity
is generated by some synths and keyboards (like yours and
mine) instead of a note-off message. This is an allowed official
MIDI spec! Unfortunately, the velocity value of this (effective)
note-off message is also changed to something other than zero.
Pressing and releasing a key will generate both note-on's with the
preset velocity value. The solution for now is very simple:
change this preset value to -1. This value will disable the
automatic change of the velocity value an pass through the
correct note-on with zero velocity value.
I think this will solve your problem.
Albert Pauw
The Netherlands
a.pauw@elsevier.nl
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Date: Mon, 04 Apr 1994 15:13:40 PDT
From: network_manager@aldus.com
Subject: NDN:GUS Musician's Digest V6 #4
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 94 11:36:41 FST
From: tblanchot@VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: NEW BBS with GUS support in France
Hello everybody|
I'm glad to announce the birth of a new BBS in France with full GUS
support and a lot of music-related stuff:
M U S I C P O W E R B B S
See below for info. Also: DMP and DMPC distribution, fax support and
more....
***********************************************************************
* Thierry BLANCHOT tblanchot@vnet.ibm.com MUSIC POWER BBS SysOp *
* *
* GUS support, Modules, Midifiles, Modcharts Distribution site *
* Shareware Zone - Dos - Win - OS/2 - DOOM corner *
* CALL (+33)88.83.63.59 - France - 2400 -> ZyXEL 16k8 Online 24h/day *
***********************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 09:28 -0400
From: WADLEIGH@PROCESS.COM
Subject: Re: Pressure and key pressure.
>What can I do with "pressure" and "key pressure" signals from an
>external controller?
These are more commonly called "aftertouch" signals. The one Yamaha calls
"pressure" is more properly called "channel aftertouch" and is supposed to
vary the volume of all the notes on the channel. The "key pressure" is
for "note aftertouch" which varies only the volume of that particular note.
Simulating wind instruments requires this sort of signal. The Casio DH100
uses channel aftertouch instead of velocity for dynamic variation.
Velocity is the keyboard player's usual "instinctive" means of varying
dynamics, but the more sophisticated keyboards use channel aftertouch (as
with the breath controller on some Yamaha keyboards). The very best can
actually respond to changes in key pressure on EACH key for special effects
such as a left-hand brass section where one note rises in volume while the
others drop out.
Now the question comes down to the drivers. Do the GUS drivers respond to
both kinds of aftertouch?
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 09:20:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: vic@cd.com (Vic Serbe x237)
Subject: Re: Pressure and key pressure.
John Wexler writes:
>
> Date: 04 Apr 94 12:46:01 BST
> From: John Wexler <wex@festival.ed.ac.uk>
> Subject: Pressure and key pressure.
>
> What can I do with "pressure" and "key pressure" signals from an
> external controller?
>
> I have tried working with Recording Session, with both a Yamaha wind
> controller (gives "pressure") and a keyboard (gives "key pressure"). As
> far as I can see, Recording Session faithfully records and files these,
> but does nothing with them on playback.
It's not the software that's doing "nothing" with this information, but
your sound module/card/keyboard. Some devices support pressure and some
don't. The reason devices (especially wind controllers) give pressure
information is because there's usually a function like modulation
associated with that information to give the sound the kind of natural
"inflection" that a real instrument has (not so much a piano, but like
when you blow harder on a real sax, the tone changes a LOT).
> Is there some way in which I can persuade it to vary the volume during
> playback, following the "pressures"? Better still, can I adjust the
> sensitivity to pressure?
You don't want to control sensitivity on the input side, as there may be a
sound source you get that will take advantage of minute changes. However,
for most non-high-end-professionals, the granularity of the pressure
messages sent out by most controllers is higher than is practical. This
means MIDI traffic that doesn't appreciably affect the score.
In this case, you would want to process the "take" AFTER recording it,
by "thinning" a certain controller. You would eliminate it completely
if none of your sound sources even support pressure at all, but likely,
they just haven't been set up to do anything with pressure messages
yet.
However, BE CAREFUL when editing controllers if you're doing it manually,
because they are real-time *relative* controllers. Therefore you have to
make sure that if you delete a +25 message, you have to delete a -25
message on the other side of the phrase or note (or thin a -xx number by
25). Otherwise, your controller won't end up at 0 when it should, and
your entire sequence can end up sounding a little "off". Controller
editing "shrapnel" can will drive you crazy when debugging a sequence.
> And finally, can pressure be made to control
> any other aspect than loudness? It seems natural that channel pressure
> would control loudness, but, for a keyboard player, you don't expect the
> volume to vary if you press harder AFTER the note had started, so
> perhaps key pressure could be used for some other refinement.
Yes, depending on your sound source's capabilities. The Pressure
controller can be associated with any function you want, limited ONLY
by the configuration capabilities in the sound source. One example why
you might want volume (instead of pitch, modulation speed, or
modulation intensity) to be varied is like in the case of a violin.
With more pressure, the string gets louder. The timbre also changes
some, but the most significant change is in the volume.
> John Wexler
> Edinburgh
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 03:20:34 +0200 (MET DST)
From: BlackFunk <black@hacktic.nl>
Subject: Question about using custom patches
Greetings, fellow musicians. I am using my dear little GUS as an additional
synth module to my other stuff and have the following question.
How can I use custom patches using MIDIFIER? I tried using windows but
restarting windows everytime really sucks and since I don't use Cakewalk
I can't get the bankswitching working. So if there's a solution to my
problem I'd be thankful.
Thanks
&
Peace
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